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Thursday, May 24, 2007

(Naklee) Sacha Sauda Dera Conflict....

Following is the part of a post I read on some Tamilian Guy's blog. Without complete understanding of the whole issue, the guy calls the act of Gurmeet Ram Rahim as an act of humor to which Sikhs are over reacting.

"But alas some Sikh fanatics could not appreciate the sense of humor when Dera Sacha Sauda chief comically dressed himself like the Tenth Sikh Guru Gobind Singh. But what I found really hilarious was some sikhs calling this as 'Blasphemy'. I think 'Blasphemy' is a serious word more appropriate for conventional religions. Not so for quasi-sects like Sikhism. The failure to understand this has cost thousands of Indian lives in the past.

A brief history of Sikhism for upstarts. Punjab has been at the forefront of Hindu-Muslim clashes for close to 1300 years now. It has also been immersed in the waves of Sufism equally long. So Guru Nanak, who lived in the period of religious turmoil in Mughal India created a sect with concepts like 'there is no allah or ram, but only one god' and 'do your work, share the fruits' etc. I think he was more like the Shiridi Sai baba than likes of Buddha, Mahavira, Sankara etc.

Guru Nanak then nominated one Guru Angad as his successor, who also seems to have displayed some spiritual inclination. But after that 'Sikhism' was more pre-occupied with rituals and politics. All the other 'Gurus' who followed him were members of one single family and some fought like warlords against the Mughals. One such 'guru' was five years old at his ascent and 'nominated' his uncle as the successor when he died aged seven! And finally the Tenth Guru Gobind singh, who also established the Khalsa, nominated the Granth Sahib (the holy book) as the eternal 'guru'. This may have been because all his children and wife were killed by the Mughals. Now I cannot see what harm could have been caused if Baba Ram Rahim Singh had dressed himself like this tenth 'Guru'. You guys want to burn Punjab for this?

And whats worse, the whole Khalistan movement was started on such ludicrous competition between some sects of the sikh 'religion' before turning into a wholesale war against India. So for all people who follow similar 'gurus' or 'divines' like Sai baba, Shivshankar baba, Yagava Munivar, Ram Rahim Singh, Guru Gobind Singh etc, here's my humble request. Fights between your gurus may look very spiritual and important to you folks. But for outsiders like me, they look very funny. (Just as all religions look funny to agnostics and atheists). But when my fellow Indians get killed because of such fights, its no longer funny. Its disgusting. So please do not repeat the mistakes of the past".


Taken from : balajiworld.blogspot.com

If you think it is appropriate, visit this guy's blog and leave him a word or two. I already left a long comment that you might want to read. Also take time to read his reply to my comment which is further insulting. I guess his religion do not teach him to respect others.

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24 Comments:

  • Thanks for the link. What a fool!! Him, not you.

    By Blogger Mai, at 5/25/2007 3:16 AM  

  • Sifar..

    so some reading in Asar Di Vaar. Moorkhai Naal Na Lujhee-ai

    Leave him a alone...

    By Blogger Jagjit Singh, at 5/25/2007 11:08 AM  

  • I reasoned with him only once Jagjit Singh jee. And he counter my reply to which I already took the tuk you mentioned from "Aasa Dee Vaar" and did not care to reply to him. He has his (very narrow) way of thinking and it is not possible for me or anyone to make him open minded. The little information he has on Sikhism is not giving him the right perspective of Sikhism and everyone knows that little knowledge on any issue may be dangerous. He loves to be the frog in the well, closed to the available information, so be it. I hope he do not get into trouble with Sikhs in California.... haha...

    By Blogger Sifar, at 5/25/2007 11:44 AM  

  • Khalsa jeeo, the only thing I request to everyone is we have to tackle every situation wisely. Gurbani will answer all the questions. The thing that I am trying to say is if we start using harsh language, it is going to make us look bad. Our Guru will be said wrong. PPl will be like see those Guru ke Sikhs, how they talk and the language they use. Singho, we have to deal with the situation very wisely. Love and kind words might help. Maybe we try to explain our Sikhi to him or anyother, they have a better respect for us. when 9/11 happened and everyone in the World started looking at Sikhs in a bad way, the love and the knowledge about Sikhi changed a lot of ppl. Krodh is one of the 5 vices and it's going to worsen the situation, not improve it.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 5/25/2007 11:55 AM  

  • I agree with Jagjit Singh ji.
    Silly fellow is just trying to attract attention. Best is to ignore him...

    By Blogger upinder kaur, at 5/26/2007 3:48 AM  

  • you guys are right, he is stupid enough to acknowledge he knows everything about all the religions.

    leaving him alone is the best option.

    By Anonymous harpreet, at 5/27/2007 1:12 AM  

  • Important thought!

    For the past few weeks people have made remarks against sikhs that they are too extermists in their actions or Gurmeet ram rahim did no harm.

    But the funny thing is that, when Richard Gere kissed the indian female actress people of indian were offended by this act and they acclaimed that its against there morals and ethics. Even some political parties took action and richard gere and indian actress are sued for their action.

    The interesting point is that people of india and some organizations were hurt because of this act. Even though that indian actress comes on screen half naked and has done lot of sexy scenes in movies.

    If those people got hurt by the act of richard then why can't sikhs express their feeling when that EVIL soul made fun of our FATHER.

    people of india and organizations consider that female actress is more important than Our FAther who actually saved the indian nation.


    ITs an interesting comparison!

    G

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 5/27/2007 4:14 PM  

  • Sifar, I read the guy's post, and his answers to some 5-6 comments before giving up on him. You cannot make an unwilling man learn.

    And a man who thinks he is wise, is the biggest fool of all. This Balaji chap falls in that category. He displays less than half baked knowledge of a subject, closes himself to all further input, and then calls himself an "intellectual". Really, does such a guy even deserve 1 minute of our time?

    By Blogger How do we know, at 5/29/2007 12:21 AM  

  • Cleverness, Cunningness DOES NOT EQUATE to intelligence and wisdom.

    We should not waste our time on this fool!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 5/29/2007 12:22 PM  

  • Sifar,

    I agree with the other posters. Don't waste time on this idiot.

    He deliberately writes a post that he admits was in a "sarcastic" tone (though I would add also inflammatory), then says he expected people to respond to him seriously. I think he was deliberately trying to be inflammatory just to gain more readers. It's better to ignore him.

    By Anonymous Rochelle, at 5/30/2007 8:19 AM  

  • Thanks for the extra publicity guys. I did not in my wildest dreams think that my post will touch so many lives.

    By Blogger Balaji, at 6/01/2007 7:38 PM  

  • Instead of thanking me for the extra publicity, you should be thanking your god whom-so-ever it may be that he only made you a pussy so that you can hide behind your computer and talk all this bull shit and he did not give you the guts to go speak at a public place where Sikhs gather, or else you know what would have happened (to you).

    And what lives have you touched? You should be appologizing for aggravating so many people.

    By Blogger Sifar, at 6/02/2007 8:27 AM  

  • Sifar, the only mercy is that this chap is in a world where its possible to block him out.
    It is not possible to worry about every half boiled egg in the world that thinks it is the Alpha Rooster.

    It is also not possible to worry about every other copy cat in the world. They will always be there, and they have always been there. Let the Deras remain. if people want to be misled, they will find ways to be misled anyway. If someone finds it easier to pay homage to a human guru, than to read the Guru Granth Sahib, to each his own.

    Ignore the guy and his impudence in coming back to ur blog to post a comment.

    By Blogger How do we know, at 6/02/2007 6:57 PM  

  • But why are so many people getting killed over such an issue ? It does not seem right !

    By Blogger Cyberkitty, at 6/04/2007 12:18 PM  

  • I found an interesting blog about Dera Sacha Sauda. Please check it out.


    http://abhishekahuja.sulekha.com/blog/post/2007/05/a-day-at-dera-sacha-sauda-sirsa-haryana.htm

    By Anonymous Jasjit Singh, at 6/05/2007 2:25 PM  

  • Thanks for the link Jasjit. I'm pretty happy to be where I am right now and have full confidence in "Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib jee Maharaaj" as my savior. If at all I need to look else where in future (though I am pretty sure that it will not be so), then I'll visit the link.

    By Blogger Sifar, at 6/05/2007 5:28 PM  

  • I think the problem with humans in general have been the fact that they cannot respect and tolerate other people's view. And I find violence a futile solution to anything. If i were a Sikh or anybody hurt my religion I think I would just smile at their ignorance.

    Once again folks do have a right to their own expressions. But when the expression is that of just pure and futile violence I start despising God himself .... :)

    By Blogger CyberHawk, at 6/05/2007 6:51 PM  

  • To respect and tolerate other people beliefs is one of the basic principles Sikhism is founded on. And I’m sure all religions have something similar that they go by. Now is there a guarantee that everyone who follow a certain faith will abide by all those princilpes. There will always be certain element that will instantly go for the violence to resolve any issue. Do you and I have any control ove this? And no one knows what the truth is yet (i.e. who struk the first blow) pertaining to the issue.

    I hope you felt the same way (as you are feeling about Sikhs on this issue) when Hindu majority acted violently (burnt Sikhs alive, brought down Babri Masjid and killed Muslims in Gujrat and Christians in Orrisa, to name a few).

    By Blogger Sifar, at 6/06/2007 5:00 PM  

  • I feel the same way for all people worldwide. But then again your comment about sitting behind the desk was poor. When has violence proved to be more powerful than pen! :) I am not in favor of violence in the name of religion or faith. That just reflects on the poor understanding of your own faith.

    By Blogger CyberHawk, at 6/06/2007 6:04 PM  

  • I do not think my comments shows in any way that I am a pro violence person. You mis intrepreted my remark on the blog that you may have read it on. That person made so many offending statements about Sikhs and Sikhism. He even passed on numerous occassion (in his post and subsequent commnets) derogatory remarks about Sikh Gurus. Doing all this is very easy when you do not show your face to the world. If you speak in public and even if you have proof to support your statement/s (which this person do not have at all), fanatics would definately jump to their first option i.e. violence to silence that person, and thats what I was telling that self centered, "Jack of all trades and master of none" person.

    And yes, I agree that pen is mightier than a sword. But then at the same time the person holding the pen has to be even more sensible than the one holding the sowrd. If not, then if what is written without caring about the sentiments of others will definately lead to the conflit and entices the fanatic elements to pick up the sowrd.... or in simple words, do not create a mess with your pen (with little knowledge that you have) that may lead to even bigger mess (violence)....

    By Blogger Sifar, at 6/06/2007 8:51 PM  

  • I'm sorry, but I left a comment at bala blog.

    Now I understand why he is having difficulty understanding everyone's comments beside of himself and why is making that comparison of ram rahim with our Guruji.

    Well, matter of fact is that he, himself is the off spring of a fake baba, probably " Sai BABA". So people we should understand why he is mentally retarted.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 6/08/2007 6:28 PM  

  • by the way, here is the website which tells some things about baba SAI BABA, which is referred as God by south indians:

    http://www.sokaren.se/INDEX135.HTML

    no wonder!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 6/08/2007 6:38 PM  

  • Bala Deleted all of my comments!!! I think it really hurt him!

    Well, we know the truth about their god " SAI BABA"

    stupid people

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 6/08/2007 6:43 PM  

  • hi,
    was blog-hopping when i came here. went thru the post. i don't think it deserves a comment. or my time.
    people have myriad ways of attracting attention. as far as i know, no faith commends violence: be it islam, hinduism, sikhism or christianity or ANY faith.
    d best way, acc to me, is to ignore opinionated ignorance. we can't stop ppl from thinking they know all!
    u do have a nice blog, tho.

    By Blogger rayshma, at 6/13/2007 11:14 AM  

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